Kardashian got candid on the struggles of taking care of four kids on her own during an appearance on Zoe Winkler‘s podcast last year.

“You and I have mostly connected on parenting and judgment, and you know, feeling like sometimes you’re in this alone,” the SKIMS founder told the host.

“Even though we have great support systems and we have people around us, but sometimes in the middle of the night when [the kids are] all sleeping in your bed, kicking you and crying and waking up, like, it is…” she shared. “It’s not something I talk about a lot because I feel like there is always a lot of judgment. Or people will always jump to the, ‘Oh, but you have the resources to have nannies and to have help.'”